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  • Jun. 24th, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Thinking more about London and rear crosses - I know this isn't a specific problem to me, as Fenwick reads rear crosses with no issues. One of the things I didn't even realize I was doing until yesterday is how consistently late I was cueing the cross with London. It was very obvious that I did not feel comfortable cueing the rear cross until about the last third before the obstacle. In some cases it was because of going through a box, but I think it goes back to London's habit of pulling off of rear crosses if I start my cross too early. This is especially apparent with shallow rear crosses, he will often turn away but not take the jump, even at the last trial. Once again, I feel totally confident with shallow rear crosses with Fenwick.

I think there are several reasons for London's issues, but I do wonder if it has to do somewhat with how I trained the dogs differently. I didn't even teach Fenwick a rear cross until we'd been doing agility for like 2 years, which I think is really funny. When I finally did, I taught the behavior with jumps. London I taught the behavior on the flat first and did a ton of shadow-handling and such. An interesting by-product of each is that Fenwick has great rear crosses with jumps, but has continually struggled with rear crosses on the 'flat', such as turning away on a contact into a tunnel.  Of course, everyone is aware of how much London LOVES to turn away into tunnels on contacts (usually without even being cued to do so!).

Really though, what with training out so many of London's natural motion cues when he was younger, when I went back and retrained everything I focused on was me being in front, being proactive, keeping me right there with him.  I never retrained rear crosses, and I can obviously get by more often than not without even using them.  Heck, I don't recall ever even needing rear crosses for those first two years with Fenwick - I like front crosses!  Such a simple thing, but does also go back to a continuing issue, which is the farther London gets away from me the more things go to pot.  

We can retrain rear crosses though, having the video yesterday was extremely helpful to see how I'm not even giving him enough information to do what I'm asking for.  He's not being 'naughty', he just doesn't know what I want because I'm not even cueing it in the first place - and he certainly hasn't been rewarded for responding the way I want anyway.  Ah, video, how humbling.  And what is with my obsessive applauding at my dog no matter what he does?  Do I always do that?


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[info]agility4fun wrote:
Jun. 24th, 2009 10:54 pm (UTC)
One thing I see is that you need to look where you want him to go versus looking at him as he takes the jump. I know he's handsome and all, but you might be watching him too much and for that 1 second you're looking at him he is not sure where to go.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that seems to be my thing, I don't feel like I know what he's going to do so I'm not handling but just pretty much just standing there watching him and seeing where he's going next. ;-)
[info]ozdobe wrote:
Jun. 24th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
You should always applaud your dog because the mantra says that the dog is never wrong, it is always the handler (timing, training, information) and you justadmitted you were failing in the training and information areas for RCs. I like that you are always "up" with your dogs and they are always happy to work for you no matter what. I fail on the video link btw.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I felt bad for London - I was so focused on what I was doing and not giving him good information. Good thing he's a tolerant fellow. ;-)
[info]tenzears wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
Can you talk about training out his natural response to motion? I know of a few ways we do this without realizing it, but if you could share specific drills you think you may have utilized which interfered with his natural understanding that would be just lovely . . .

Everyone always uses standing still fetching as an example and I try to keep that in my mind anytime I'm working on a drill which might otherwise have me standing still throwing toy or treat . . .

Thanks for sharing. I struggle like crazy with rear crosses. Never learned them correctly in the first place; now that I know more its better but I still tend to foul them up. Ten so far says "rear crosses suck" so I'll have to get better - she pushes right off of her line immediately when I move in on it.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 07:30 pm (UTC)
Oh, it's very easy to train out motion - didn't take me long at all! Fenwick is (and probably always will be) 4 gambles legs from his ADCH, so I had a great time teaching distance to London when he was young. He had amazing independent contacts and weaves ... and everything else too. It was really fun to stand in the middle of the arena and handle London with no motion at all! Of course, it made doing actual courses somewhat challenging. ;-)
[info]sclmarm wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
I've gotten to where I do so many rear crosses that my fronts have turned to crap. Go figure!
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
It's amazing what never practicing a skill will do! ;-)
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