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Susan Salo Advanced Jumping video

  • Jul. 19th, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Little Ladd headed home today.  Though he was an exceptionally good puppy, and very easy as puppies go, it still feels way too easy not to have those constant thoughts about what he might need and what he might be getting into.  My dogs don't require much thought at all!

It was really, REALLY novel to have a puppy that just wants to cuddle up next to you, even if he was just playing with a toy, he'd come bring it over so he could lay on your lap and play.  Cuddly dogs - it's a whole different world!  Of course, London has been trying his best to be 'cuddly' this week, which is really funny because first he has no concept of RELAXING and then he growls (not in an aggressive way, but an uncomfortable way).  So he gets up onto our laps and looks awkward and stiff and grumbles and growls and tries to act like he's enjoying himself - it's very funny.  He tries though.

The dogs are pretty happy puppy is gone - not big puppy lovers.  It was good to see Ladd adjust to my cantankerous crew, by the end Ladd would still obsessively fawn and lick London, still hop on and hump Brisbee, but for the most part he fit in pretty well and was mostly polite without being a pushover.  I was not worried about him and the other dogs at all.

So, 4 dogs, really easy - 4 dogs and a puppy, well, it's more of a challenge.  Puppies grow up, and quite fast - new puppy won't be a puppy for long.  It is easy to forget how many behaviors I take for granted with my dogs, there is a lot to teach a new puppy.  I think I need a list so I don't forget anything important because I was spending all my time teaching cute tricks (which is SO much fun!).  For some reason I had the hardest time calling Ladd by his name, my new name for all puppies is "Puptart".


Ladd waves goodbye!

So, no more cute puppy to play with and cuddle ... for now.  I'll miss Ladd, he was a great puppy, so easy to live with and very fun.  I can only hope our puppy is both as easy and as cool!


Ladd demos his 'sad dog' (he's a natural at that soulful look!)

With no puppy around to distract me I finally got around to watching the Advanced Jumping video by Susan Salo today.  I was somewhat prepared for this video after the last, it might be three discs, but the amount of information can really could have been condensed into one.  Still, I think it's a better investment than actually going to a seminar, where I would have been REALLY frustrated by the pace of it all.  This video could have cut out SO MUCH.  No, we don't need to see people walk all the way out to a line of jumps to set out a target and then walk all the way back to set their dog up and then lead out to release their dog - OVER AND OVER AGAIN.  And I think this was actually somewhat better edited than the last video, which also made me want to tear my hair out with the amount of crap they didn't edit out.

Still, it's interesting to me to watch the different dogs and jumping styles over the same exercise, I appreciate how they often had like 6-9 different demo dogs for each.  I just didn't need to watch all 9 dogs set their targets out or move the jumps.  And the weird part is, sometimes they would edit that part out - AND SOMETIMES THEY WOULDN'T.  It was like they were taunting you.  Anyway, so, 3 discs, 5 exercises - you do the math.  I would have liked to have seen more content, but hey.  

When it comes to jumping, I don't think there is one magical 'system' that will teach every dog how to jump perfectly.  I do think there are dogs that are better natural jumpers than others, I have my reservations about how much any jumping program is actually influencing how a dog would jump no matter what.  I do think that all dogs benefit from being given approrpriate and variable jumping challenges, the more experience and confidence a dog has with jumping, the better jumper they will be.  Dogs need practice and exposure to learn how to take off appropriately depending on the situation.  So I like the SS stuff as another type of challenge to present to the dog and see how confident they are.  It is helpful to see many types and sizes of dogs negotiate the same challenge and react differently.

I have never been to a SS seminar, I don't know if I would go (I am, perhaps, a tad bit impatient with lecture format seminars).  I don't see much harm in playing with the exercises she presents.  I do like that in this video she is very aware that the exercises should be handled with appropriate handler position and movement.  I rather like a lot of the SS foundation grids for beginning classes -  I'm not a huge targeting fan in agility, but when backed up with appropriate handler cues, it's nice to be able to teach a green dog to drive forward with intent when the handler drives forward.  Targets do make this very easy to teach!  It's certainly not the only way I would be introducing jumping to a dog, but I have learned to rather like the concept of a target for the jumping grids.  Personally, my dogs also find them terribly fun, which is rather amusing.

So, the execises presented in the advanced video were interesting, I will play with them with the dogs.  It was helpful to see how some of the foundation exercises could help in a more advanced jumping exercise.  It was interesting to see on the video and in my experience how some dogs really don't understand basic jumping concepts, even with very short jumps and 'easy' exercises.

Overall, the video is the same quality and set-up as the foundation video - so if you liked that, and are interested in the SS stuff, then this video is an obvious accompaniment.  The exercises are well explained, illustrated with many different types and sizes of dogs and the exact measurements and exercise notes are all available to print from the DVD to practice.  While it definitely could have been much shorter, I found the videos informative and interesting.

Comments

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[info]purpledogs wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
If your little "Puff" is anything like his/her dad then you'll definitely have a cuddle-loving puppy on your hands ;) Zinger is a big softie.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
That's one of my main attractions to this litter - there is a high probability of cuddliness from both sides. Killer.
[info]brucix wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 06:11 pm (UTC)
Humans these days have no attention span. They want MTV style fast editing on everything. No one appreciates a nice long Paul-Thomas-Anderson style scene. Why, just this weekend, I was watching the new Harry Potter movie and the lady sitting next to me fell asleep and started snoring because I guess the suspense of the cavern-locket scene was JUST TOO BORING.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
She fell asleep? Wow, kids these days.
[info]brucix wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 08:26 pm (UTC)
All the kids these days are just hopped up on Frappacinos playing Nintendo Super Smash Brothers
[info]tenzears wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
Skip the live SS. I did it years ago with Cass. It was 4th of July at Debbie Berkley's place and I swear to you it was over 100 degrees out. I got NOTHING out of participating in this seminar. Zip. Obeserving might have been okay, but I think that really all of her exercises can be condensed into about 6 diagrams and 4 photographs.

Ah; yes, the one comment I got on all of Cass's work is that she "lacked impulsion." 100 degrees, yes, I too lacked impulsion. However there was no "so you should x,y,z to fix this problem" that I saw for any of the dogs. It was just do the exercises and it takes care of itself. Personally (and perhaps unkindly) I wonder if these exercises come straight from the horse world without much reasoning if they do anything there or not or how they affect a change there. Horse people do plenty of superstitious exercises just like dog people do. So now we apply it to dogs, also not really knowing what the means of change is here either.

People swear by it . . . but I'm with you, I wonder if any of the jump work we does changes much of anything in their natural style. I know a gal that swears she's done all kinds of jump training, is a really good trainer, and has a dog that she calls her "hang glider" because she takes a totally inappropriately big air over each jump. Certainly before jump training was all the rage people had good jumping dogs. Mystery to me; I'm not sure how to quantify improvement from jump training. Perhaps do zero, do some video work of a number of sequences and challenges, then do jump training and video again and see how the dog is different. Then wonder if its experience in the sequences or the jump training.

Whoo. That turned into a bit of rant, eh?
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can pretty see how the SS seminars would be about as interesting as watching paint dry - the video has got to be better, and I like the note write ups even better. Right to the point!

I like the idea of having a systematic way to present jumping challenges in a way that is low impact and lets the dog think about the jumps more than the handler to figure out how to use their body effectively. I like easing the dogs into the challenge of both jumping and figuring out our handling cues at the same time.
[info]3bluentru wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
Having a dog who DOES NOT JUMP WELL NATURALLY, yes...jump training DOES work. You may not get what you want with EVERY jump, but you can definately improve on the percentage.

I have been to a SS seminar found it interesting and informative (pinted out alot of thing to watch for), but also, rather boring for a full day....or was it 2? See it didn't leave a HUGE impact, eh?
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:20 pm (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, London's jumping has definitely improved over time. I just wonder if it was just a matter of any specific exercises or if it was just a matter or rewarding what I wanted and him getting more experience at the job at hand.
[info]agilepawz wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
What I've learned over the years in running a big jumping dog (aka, "extenda-dog"), is that if you give them early enough information, they will jump accordingly based on where they are going next. All the jump training in the world is not going to solve a dog jumping extended all the time (or collected all the time) because it did not get early enough information about a turn, or it thinks it should be jumping that way all the time. It did take some convincing to get Quake to read my body/motion for cues (and for me to learn give the correct cues in time!), but once that happened, he started changing how he jumped to accommodate whatever the situation was.

That said, jump exercises can help a dog who struggles with jumping, whether they are SS exercises or someone else's exercises. We can teach them how to jump extended, how to jump collected, how to jump into us, etc., but its our motion and cues that tell them WHEN to do that. For me, those are different things. Related, but different.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 10:43 pm (UTC)
Oh, I agree, the jumping should most definitely be related to the handler's motion and positional cues in terms of collection/extension - but I think the act of jumping itself should be trained as well (especially if the dog is not a natural jumper ;-).
[info]zingerq wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
I own the DVD and I watched part of the first disk. My guys could use some jumping help and I keep saying that I'm going to watch the video. It's been 8 months. Hmmm.

I need the Cliff Note version.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
On last disc of both DVDs is a PDF with the whole thing nicely condensed in .pdf form - you really don't have to watch the videos at all. ;-)
[info]gumbypuppy wrote:
Jul. 21st, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
Thanks for the review. I've been thinking of trying to do some more basic jump training with Tess, she knocks a few more bars than I like, and I know she is well capable of clearing every jump. I might be too lazy, though.
[info]brisbeethewhite wrote:
Jul. 21st, 2009 05:22 am (UTC)
Think of it this way, jumping exercises tend to be much easier to set up than sequence work!
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